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Emergent's New Christians and the Young, Restless Reformed (Conclusion)
Tony Jones and Collin Hansen find connections as they discuss each other's books and movements.



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Tony Jones is the national coordinator of Emergent Village and author of The New Christians: Dispatches from the Emergent Frontier. Collin Hansen is editor-at-large of Christianity Today and author of Young, Restless, Reformed: A Journalist's Journey with the New Calvinists. Both books take a sympathetic journalistic approach to a young but growing movement in American Christianity, examining why it's growing and how it's changing the larger church.

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Tony,

I sense frustration with your last question. It's a hard one to address. Creeds are great for distilling the overarching themes and doctrines of Scripture. But they can unwittingly make Christians think faith can be reduced to checking the right boxes. As evangelicals have learned since the fundamentalist-modernist debates of the early 20th century, there are at least two problems with this mentality. First, two people may sign the same statement but choose to interpret it quite differently, rendering useless the pretended unity. The other problem surfaces when someone checks all the boxes but immediately undermines the doctrine by saying it doesn't really matter. My purpose in asking what you believe about the Atonement, sound doctrine, and biblical authority was to reconcile what you wrote to me with what you wrote in your book.

I was really intrigued when you wrote about Emergent churches "open-sourcing" their biblical and theological content. "Some people will worry, What about heresy? It'll just become a mad free-for-all without any baseline of sound doctrine!" I loved your next line: "To the contrary, nothing roots out heresy better than a group." I don't agree with open-sourcing doctrine, but you make a great point about community. The apostles modeled this approach. So did the bishops who met for the ecumenical councils. Today, this is one of the reasons why I believe pastors should serve their churches on councils of fellow elders.

Maybe, if necessary, even blog communities can root out heresy. I thought Scot McKnight ably and charitably called out Spencer Burke for denying the personhood of God. This situation confused some observers of Emergent, since Burke had affirmed the "historic Trinitarian Christian faith and the ancient creeds" in "A Response to Our Critics" (also Appendix B of your book).

Overall, Tony, your book greatly helped me learn about Emergent. You also confirmed for me that evangelicals face a culture crisis. We have imbibed too much of the surrounding American values of consumerism and individualism. Yet even though we intimately know this culture, we don't understand it. I'm thankful for Emergents who seek to discern the culture. As I wrote in my first message, we may not agree on the best way to engage this culture with the gospel of Jesus Christ. But we share a concern for the church to grow past the sins that so easily entangle us.

— Collin

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Collin,

I guess my only retort to your concern about the open-sourcing of doctrine is this: I don't think you have much of a choice! As the bloggers who've weighed in on our conversation attest, we live in a highly participatory culture in which all opinions are vetted in the public square. We may wish that the church fathers had the final word on this doctrine or that, but in the era of the Internet and publishing-on-demand, all contravening ideas will be readily available, even if they don't jibe with traditionus receptus.

What I think emergents are up to, in part, is fashioning a church that is reflective of these trends. In all honesty, most Christian publishing houses are, too. Just last week, someone wrote me a letter, which I posted, in which he surveyed the books by Christian publishers on multiple views of doctrines, and he came up with 119 views on 29 topics. That's some serious diversity.





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bill   Posted: May 14, 2008 3:01 PM
If I were still Protestant I would have to say you're all correct. Someone said you're "confused". No, it goes with the "theology"- meaning the premise of the "theology": anything goes, and ain't it fun to play cute word games. Most of my blog posts have been dealing with these issues. The more I read and reflect the simpler the faith becomes- and the greater the chaos of the cults (Protestantism). Thank God I got over that! Occasionally I read someone who gets it, or, at least, is troubled, sensing something is terribly wrong. The early church knew nothing of the battles of Western Chrisitianity that gave us the incredibly horrible disunity of Protestantism. (Former Reformed pastor; over 35 years). The arrogant indifference to the truth is sickening. No problem, right? We'll just do another article, oka' (faithswork.blogspot.com)

MP   Posted: May 14, 2008 2:57 PM
Following this "conversation" has been rather interesting but not all that encouraging. I wonder how these guys think that its possible to create a "new orthodoxy"? Why would we want to do so, even if we could? This "dialogue" has been rather vacuous and disappointing, on the whole. Worse yet, its symptomatic of the narcissitic Christianity that seems to predominate our time. Nothing could be less "relevant" than to listen to a couple of guys go on and on about themselves, as if no one in the whole tradition has ever thougth their thoughts. If this is any kind of indication as to the direction in which so called "evangelicals" are heading, God help us! I think they need to realize that not all of us are reacting against fundamentalism, which seems to be a big issue for them. Perhaps this is the service they have to render at this time; but I dont think their set of issues is capable of creating consensus. Many just want to be faithful without the excessive self - reflection

Barry   Posted: May 14, 2008 5:34 PM
Being outside of either genre; may I make a comment on what I hear. I hear a silent cry. Not spoken, but nonetheless discernible. A cry going forth out of a body of a believing people, with holy writ tightly clutched to their chests, crying, "Oh!, if we only had a living and breathing Paul or Peter walking among us now. Surely we would yield to him in all things and finally make strait the church." Ironically, the very thing they yearn for and need, they have anathematized from their theology; Divine revelation! So, this disunity will always be the lot of the body Christian (and all religion) until they humble themselves, and cry unto the Lord that Prophets be sent again. Someone having "a more sure word of prophecy".

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